Armenian-American journalist Ana Kasparian spoke about the 2020 war in Artsakh, the ethnic cleansing of Armenians by Azerbaijan, the destruction of ancient Armenian churches, Israel’s role in arming Azerbaijan, the Armenian Genocide, and the Armenian diaspora’s survival in places like Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and the United States in an interview with Tucker Carlson on the Tucker Carlson Network, released July 25, 2025, reports Zartonk Media.
Tucker Carlson, one of the most influential media figures in the world, has 16.5 million followers on X (formerly Twitter). The episode featuring Kasparian has already surpassed one million views within its first 24 hours. His podcast regularly ranks among the most-watched political shows online, with previous episodes garnering millions of views across platforms including X, YouTube, and his own network website. The 90-minute podcast covered a wide range of issues, but it was a roughly 10-minute exchange on Armenia, Artsakh, and the legacy of genocide and displacement that stood out as one of the episode’s most emotional and historically significant moments.
The full conversation also touched on subjects including the Jeffrey Epstein case, the evolution of political parties in America, defunding the police, U.S. involvement in foreign wars, California’s decline, Gavin Newsom’s record, corporate media’s manipulation, Tucker Carlson’s presidential prospects, online backlash, class tensions among liberals, centralized power and surveillance, Israel’s strike on Gaza’s only Catholic church, and the future of media in the United States.
A Raw, Unfiltered Look at Armenia and the 2020 Artsakh War
Midway through the conversation, Carlson asked Kasparian — whose surname hints at her Armenian heritage — about the largely forgotten war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the region of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh).
Kasparian didn’t hold back. She described how Azerbaijan launched a brutal military offensive in 2020 to retake the Armenian-majority region. “They [Azerbaijan] engaged in ethnic cleansing,” she said. “They were forced out if they weren’t killed.”
She detailed how ancient churches were bombed, entire communities displaced, and thousands of ethnic Armenians forced to flee to Armenia — a small, landlocked nation already strained by its geography and history.
Stalin’s Legacy and the Seeds of Conflict
Kasparian walked Carlson through the Soviet-era roots of the conflict, noting how Joseph Stalin had strategically handed Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) to Azerbaijan, despite its overwhelmingly Armenian population, in order to keep both Armenians and Azeris dependent on Moscow.
“Stalin was evil in a lot of ways, but he was also very smart — which is the most dangerous combination.”
Global Silence and Media Neglect
When Carlson asked why the destruction of Christian churches wasn’t drawing international outrage, Kasparian was blunt: “American media doesn’t care about Armenia. Armenians don’t have a powerful lobby that can bribe our politicians to care about them.”
Carlson expanded the conversation to a broader concern: “I see a global theme where the most peaceful religion in the world is taking the most abuse… and there’s the most murder of Christians. I just am amazed that nobody says anything in the United States.”
Kasparian lamented that the U.S. has failed to respond — not just diplomatically, but morally — to what she characterized as an open campaign of ethnic and religious cleansing.
Israel’s Role in the Conflict
Perhaps the most provocative moment came when Kasparian addressed Israel’s sale of weapons to Azerbaijan, which she said were used in the 2020 assault on Artsakh. Carlson, visibly taken aback, asked for confirmation multiple times.
“Yes. It’s absolutely confirmed… It’s documented,” Kasparian said firmly. She added, “If I’m ever wrong, I will admit it. But this is something I’ve researched deeply… In regard to Israel, it’s very clear, and it’s documented.”
She also noted allegations of arms sales from Russia, but emphasized that Israel’s involvement is irrefutable and well-documented.
A History of Genocide and Displacement
The conversation widened to include the Armenian Genocide, which Kasparian traced back to the Committee of Union and Progress, an offshoot of the Young Turks movement. She clarified that The Young Turks show’s name reflects the American idiom for anti-establishment youth, not the historical group behind the genocide — a frequent point of confusion.
She also shared her own family history: her father was born in Damascus, a descendant of genocide survivors who had been forced from their homeland. Her parents later immigrated to the U.S. as refugees from Soviet Armenia in the late 20th century.
The Armenian Diaspora: Resilient and Rooted
Kasparian reflected on the widespread Armenian diaspora, from Lebanon to Iran to California. In discussing Iran’s Armenian Christian population, she revealed that Armenians there still openly practice their faith — something she contrasted sharply with the hostility Armenians have faced elsewhere.
“They might not like the Ayatollah… but what they respect is the fact that [Armenians are] still able to practice their religion. They’re still able to go to church. For the most part, they’re left alone.”
She praised communities like Glendale, California, where Armenian Americans have built vibrant, family-oriented neighborhoods: “Glendale, California is gorgeous… They care about their community. They care about their families. They want to work hard.”
A Rare Dialogue in American Media
That a progressive Armenian-American and a conservative commentator could engage in such a deep, mutually respectful conversation about Armenia’s suffering and survival is something almost unheard of in today’s polarized media landscape.
While the episode also covered a wide range of political and cultural topics — including the Epstein scandal, California’s decline, foreign wars, centralized power, liberal elite culture, corporate media, Israeli airstrikes in Gaza, and the future of political parties — it was this 10-minute exchange on the Armenian cause that stood out as a rare moment of unity and truth.
Why This Moment Matters
Kasparian and Carlson’s discussion brought long-overdue attention to a cause too often relegated to silence. For the Armenian people, for Christians under threat, and for anyone seeking moral clarity in foreign affairs, this was a breakthrough.
In a world saturated with noise, their words cut through. The story of Artsakh, of survival, and of truth was told — not by a government, not by a lobby, but by people unafraid to speak plainly.
